it's because of the lack of education, opportunity, jobs, housing, things that the african-american community has been deprived of which doesn't start with the police department, but starts at a much greater level than the police department, so you're talking about -- you're talking to victims -- people who have to enforce. it's not our -- it's not our decision as to what laws are on the books but it's our decision about what we can do to put pressure on legislators and the people in -- that make the laws as to what kinds of opportunities that we can have for african-american communities. you know -- >> i absolutely agree and that's why i think we should really re-evaluate the policies because they have a harmful impact on the communities and achieve the goals we want to achieve. >> it's my community. i understand exactly what you're saying but i'm also not going to sit here and say that those who sell drugs -- and the sale of drugs is also -- it's not just the harm upon the person who actually use drugs. usually -- not always but it also comes with a measure of violence as well. >> absolutel